Psychoanalysis, from its origins, has always dealt with trauma and the psychoanalytic lit-erature on the subject is very wide. The symbolic experience - both on a personal and social level - of being "!put" out, helplessly dependent and "abandoned" is pointed out, starting from Otto Rank’s concept on birth trauma. The analysis of these experiences highlights how the personal and the social are closely linked together: just as social ostracism can have deep personal effects, in the same way the experiences of being excluded, when projected, can determine a deep social effect. The "transmission of the bad treatment", in its unconscious dimension, can be conceived by mak-ing use of the concept of projective identification. Inevitably, this process entails a series of countertransference problems for the analyst. Through the supervision of two clinical cases, the central aspect linked to the projection of guilt is emphasized. Those who commit abuse can project part of their feelings of guilt into the victim. In the two cases reported, we can see how having lived the experience of being "loveless" transforms one of the two patients into a "love-less father" and the other into a "loveless patient" . Both the patients seem to have lost their ability to experience love and loss, and their analysts feel themselves "loveless" too: they fight to face their own feelings of anger and helplessness, trying to reconnect themselves with their own ability to feel "love" and compassion for their patients.
Keywords: trauma, projective identification, controtransfert, projection of guilt, sadism, help-lessness